Let's Talk About Confidence
Let's Talk About Confidence examines the one capability that determines whether you'll attempt what matters most—and whether you'll persist when it gets hard. Not a personality trait. Not positive thinking. A learnable behaviour built through repetition, pressure, and consequence.
Confidence isn't something you're born with—it's something you build through boring repetition, sustained pressure, and real-world consequences.
Hosted by John M Walsh, this podcast explores how actual confidence develops in adults who've been tested. From founders who've rebuilt after failure, to leaders managing high-stakes decisions, to professionals who've had to perform without feeling ready.
These aren't motivational stories. They're honest conversations about:
- How confidence is built (the unglamorous truth)
- How it's lost (and what that reveals)
- How it's rebuilt (often stronger than before)
- How it shows up in high-pressure situations
Each episode examines confidence as an integrated adult skill—through the lens of performance, leadership, persuasion, credibility, competence, and reinvention.
For anyone interested in the behavioural reality of confidence, not the highlight reels.
For professionals, leaders, and anyone building something significant who knows confidence is the bottleneck—but wants the unglamorous truth about how it's actually developed, not another pep talk.
Let's Talk About Confidence
Nervous, Not Broken: The Truth About Confidence at Work
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You know the feeling: you’re fine until the meeting starts, the presentation slide appears, or you have to say the thing you’ve been rehearsing for days. Your chest tightens, your mouth dries up, and then the worst part arrives, the story that follows: maybe I’m not confident, maybe I’m not cut out for this, maybe there’s something wrong with me. I want to challenge that. Nervous is a sensation. Broken is a conclusion. And confusing the two creates a lot of needless suffering at work.
I trace what is actually happening in the nervous system, from the amygdala’s threat scanning to why uncertainty, visibility, and fear of judgement hit so hard in modern workplaces. I also name the three pressure multipliers I see everywhere right now: relentless social media comparison, the missing “learning by being in the room” that remote work can reduce, and our new talent for avoiding discomfort through messages, emails, and delay. Avoidance feels like relief, but it quietly trains your brain to fear the situation more next time.
Then we get practical. I share five tools you can use immediately for work anxiety, public speaking nerves, and leadership confidence: name the emotion, ask what your nervous system is responding to, make the threat specific, breathe out longer than you breathe in, act before you feel ready, and keep an evidence log so your brain stores proof of courage. If you try just one small avoided action this week and write it down, you’ll start building real confidence the only way it lasts: through evidence.
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Let’s Talk About Confidence is an educational podcast exploring confidence, behaviour, leadership, communication, and personal performance. The views shared are intended for general information and development purposes only and should not be considered medical, psychological, legal, or financial advice.
While practical tools and techniques are discussed, listeners are encouraged to seek appropriately qualified professional support where needed.
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You Are Not Broken
SPEAKER_00Here's something I keep running into. I'll be working with someone, usually a capable person, the sort you'd never guess was wrestling with any of this. And at some point, they'll tell me a version of the same thing. That they think there's something wrong with them. They don't feel confident enough, they doubt themselves. They lie awake replaying a conversation everyone else forgot by lunchtime. And this is the bit that gets me every time. Nobody actually told them this. No doctor, no psychologist sat them down and gave them the news. They diagnosed themselves. They felt nervous. And somewhere along the line they decided that nervousness meant they were broken. I've seen it too often now to take it at face value because when I look closely at these people, I don't see broken. I see nervous. And those are nowhere near the same thing. If you were with me for season one and two, you'll know we spent a lot of time on confidence, self-belief performance, failure, and the slow business of recovery and growth. But over the last year or so I've found myself circling something that sits underneath all of it. The nervous system. The thing that fires up before the presentation, before the difficult conversation, before you walk into a room full of people you don't know, before anything that actually matters to you. We tend to talk about confidence as though it's a fixed trait. Some people have it, some people don't. You're either born with it or you're not. That's never been what I've seen. In all the years of doing this work, I've watched nervous graduates turn into capable leaders. I've watched confident leaders wobble for a while after a setback. I've met salespeople who'd happily work a room full of strangers and brilliant engineers who'd find any excuse to stand near the coffee machine rather than make small talk. Different people, different job, but the same nervous system. And that's what this whole season is about. Not getting rid of nerves, learning what they actually are and what to do with them. Because once you understand that, confidence stops being a personality you were or weren't issued at birth, and starts being something you can build. So
Confidence With Nerves Still Present
SPEAKER_00let me show you where this began for me. One of the privileges of this work is that people tend to be honest with me. Sometimes within 10 minutes of meeting, some will tell you something they've never said to a colleague, occasionally something they've never told a boss, and every now and then something they've never quite admitted to themselves. A few years ago I was working with a very senior project leader, big budget, the kind most of us would struggle to picture. Hundreds of people relying on him. From the outside the very picture of confidence. After the workshop, everyone filed out and he stayed behind. The room went quiet, and he said something I've never forgotten. John, I still feel sick before important presentations. Not now and again, every single time. Now if you'd asked anyone who worked with him whether he was confident, they'd have said yes without hesitating. He'd been doing it for over twenty five years. He was good at it, but he still felt sick. That stopped me because if confidence was simply the absence of nerves, this man should have run out of nerves a long time ago. He hadn't. He just stopped letting them make the decisions. Once I noticed this in him, I started seeing it everywhere. I remember the sales director who told me she sat in her car for five minutes before every important client meeting just to settle herself. Engine off, hands in the wheel, breathing. Then in she went and closed the deal. I remember a graduate engineer, sharp as enton, who was so frightened of speaking up meetings that he'd write his point down, decide it wasn't good enough and say nothing. Then watch someone else make the same point and get the credit. And I remembered a managing director, decades of experience, who admitted he's still got that familiar knot in his stomach before delivering bad news to his team. Again, different people, different responsibilities, different salaries, different titles, different stories, but the same, very human experience.
Nervous Is Sensation Not Identity
SPEAKER_00This is what made me wonder whether we've misunderstood something fundamental about all of this. Maybe confidence isn't the absence of nerves. Maybe confidence is what happens when you learn to work with them. That single idea changed how I do my job, and I think it might change how you experience yours. Let me ask you a few things. Have you ever walked into a room and suddenly become aware of yourself? Your posture, your hands, your voice, what you're about to say? Most of us have. Have you ever replayed a conversation afterwards and thought of the perfect thing to say about three years too late? Again, most of us have. Have you ever sat in a phone call, put off an email, delayed a conversation because you weren't quite ready? Same thing. None of that's the problem. Honestly none of it. The problem is what we do with it. Because a lot of people feel those things and conclude something's wrong with me. I'm not confident, I'm not leadership material, I'm just not good with people. That's the kind of person I am. But what if those conclusions are simply wrong? What if what you're feeling is your nervous system doing exactly the job it evolved to do? Here's a phrase you hear me coming back to all season. Nervous is a sensation. Broken is a conclusion. Nervous is a sensation, it happens in the body, your heart rate, your breath, a bit of heat in the chest, a dry mouth, and it arrives and left alone it passes. Broken is a conclusion. It happens in the mind. It's a story you tell about the sensation. And unlike the sensation, the story doesn't pass on its own. It sticks around. It hardens into an identity of I'm just not a confident person. And here's the trap. The sensation is temporary, but the conclusion is what shapes your behaviour. People don't avoid the meeting because of the flutter on their chest. They avoid it because of the story they've wrapped around that flutter. Confusing these two things, the sensation and the conclusion, cause an enormous amount of unnecessary suffering, and it's completely avoidable. So
Your Brain’s Ancient Threat Alarm
SPEAKER_00let's take it apart. Let me keep this simple because the science here is genuinely useful and I don't want it to sound like a lecture. Your brain's been shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and its first job has never been to make you successful. Its first job is to keep you alive. Everything else comes a distant second. Deep in a brain is a small structure called the amygdala. You don't need to remember the name, you just need to know what it does. It's your threat detector. It's scanning constantly in the background, asking one question over and over again. Am I safe? And it's fast, much faster than the thinking, reasoning part of your brain. By the time you've consciously thought right, this is just a team meeting, your body's often already reacted, heartbeats up, breath shallow, maybe even a jolt of alertness. Now that's not a malfunction, that's the system working. For most of human history, the thing that reacted first and asked questions later was the thing that survived. The ancestor heard a rustle in the grass and felt their heart leap before they'd worked out whether it was a lion, lived long enough to become somebody's ancestor. The calm, philosophical one who waited for more information often didn't. So you've inherited a brilliant, ancient, slightly twitchy alarm system. And here's the problem. The world's changed far faster than the alarm did. Most of us aren't being chased by anything anymore. But the alarm doesn't know that. It can't tell the difference between a genuine physical threat and a social one. So it treats them the same way. Standing up to present, walking into a room where you don't know anyone, asking for that pay rise, giving someone difficult feedback, sending email you've been avoiding. None of it's dangerous, but every bit of it involves the three things the alarm hates most uncertainty, visibility, the possibility of being judged. And there's a reason the last one bites so hard. For most of human history being judged and rejected by the group wasn't just a bruised ego, it was a genuine survival risk. The people who were cast out didn't tend to last very long on their own. So the brain learned to treat the disapproval of others as something close to mortal danger. That wiring is still in you. It's why a single critical comment can ruin your afternoon, while ten kind ones barely register. So your heart speeds up before you present, your mouth goes dry before the hard conversation, your hands shake slightly, you become painfully aware of yourself the moment you stand up to speak. Not because something's wrong with you, because the system's doing precisely what it was built to do. It's mistaking a board meeting for a saber toothed tiger, that's all. And once you really understand that, something shifts. You stop reading nervousness as proof you can't do something, and you start reading it as an old, loyal, slightly over eager part of your brain trying to protect you from a threat that isn't actually there. Here's the practical bit. You can't switch the alarm off, don't waste your energy trying. But you can change what you do when it goes off, and that's where the rest of the episode lives.
Why Modern Life Feeds Anxiety
SPEAKER_00There's another reason I wanted to make this season, and it's about the world we're living in right now. And I don't think people today are weaker than they used to be. I want to be really clear about that because there's a lot of lazy talk about soft generations and so on, and I don't believe a word of it. People aren't weaker, but the conditions around us have changed in a few ways that make this genuinely harder, and they're worth naming. The first is comparison. We now carry a device in our pocket that shows us everybody else all day long at their absolute best, and the trouble is we compare our insides to their outsides. We hold up the behind the scenes version of ourselves, the nerves, the second guessing, the bad mornings, the work that isn't finished, again somebody else's carefully edited highlight reel. Of course we come off worse. We're comparing two completely different things and calling it fair fight. That's why so many people end up convinced that everyone else has it figured out, and they're the ones struggling. They don't have it figured out, you simply not being shown there behind the scenes. Nobody posts a version of themselves sitting in the car, gathering their nerves before a meeting. But I promise you it's happening in cars and corridors everywhere. The second change is something I've noticed particularly in people who came into work over the last few years. A lot of them started their careers during periods of remote and hybrid working, and while there's plenty that's good about that, it took something away almost without anyone noticing. It took away the learning that used to happen just by being in the room. Watching how a senior colleague handled a tense moment, seeing somebody make a mistake and then recover from it without the world ending. Picked things up at the edges almost by accident over months and years. That kind of apprenticeship by osmosis is much harder to come by now. And so a lot of genuinely capable people are missing a sort of quiet education that earlier generations got for free just by sitting near people who'd been doing it for longer. If that's you, the gap you feel isn't a deficiency in you, it's a gap in your exposure, and exposure can be caught up. And the third change is the one I want most want to understand because it's the engine underneath so much of what people call low confidence. We've become extraordinarily good at avoiding discomfort. When I started out, if you wanted to speak to someone, you usually had to walk over and speak to them. If you wanted to make a sales call, you picked up the phone. The person answered, and you handled it live. The world used to make you practice constantly, often without asking you permission. Now we can sidestep nearly all of it. Message instead of call, email instead of knocking on a door, order the coffee and an app so you don't have to talk to anyone. Delay, distract, disappear for a while. I understand the appeal completely. I use those tools too, but there's a hidden cost. So let me slow right down. Every time you avoid something that makes you nervous, two things happen. First is relief. It's a lovely, immediate relief. The threat's gone, the alarm switches off, and your brain hands you a little reward for getting out of danger, and it feels good. The second thing is quieter, and it's the one that matters. Your brain takes a note, it writes down that was dangerous. Good thing we've avoided it. Let's do that again next time. So the relief teaches you the wrong lesson. It tells the alarm it was right to fire off. And the next time that situation comes around, the alarm fires. A little harder because now it has evidence on its side. You've trained it by accident, but you've trained it all the same. That's the avoidance loop. This isn't a character flaw, it's a learning system doing its job with bad data. So here's the line I'd like you to take away. Avoidance lowers the discomfort today and quietly raises it tomorrow. Read it the other way and you've got the whole shape of this season. If avoidance shrinks your confidence, then the thing that grows it is the opposite. It's doing the thing while still nervous and letting your brain collect a different kind of note. We'll come to how in a moment.
Check The Conditions Around You
SPEAKER_00But before we get to what you can do, there's one thing I want you to check because it matters more than almost anything else, and almost nobody stops to do it. Before you blame yourself, look at the conditions. This is something I wish far more people understood. It's saved a lot of people I work with from a great deal of unnecessary self-criticism, and it might do the same for you. Confidence doesn't exist in a vacuum. It isn't a fixed amount you carry around inside you. The same in every room and every day, it rises and it falls depending on what's going on around you. So before you decide that a dip in confidence means something's wrong with you, it's worth pausing to look honestly at the conditions you're actually operating in. Ask yourself a few questions. How much pressure am I under at the moment? Really, genuinely? How much control do I actually have over this situation? Or am I being held responsible for things I can't influence? Do I have support or am I carrying this on? Are the relationships around me healthy or am I spending half my energy managing difficult people? Do I genuinely know it's expected of me or am I just guessing? And is there a lot of change happening right now all at once? Because what here's what I've seen again and again. Sometimes confidence doesn't drop because you've suddenly become less capable overnight. That almost never happens. Capability doesn't evaporate in a week. What happens far more often is that conditions changed. More pressure landed, the goalposts moved, the support fell away, the clarity you used to have went missing. And your nervous system is responding to all of that exactly as it's designed to do. So one of the kindest things you can do for yourself is to stop automatically reading every difficult feeling as evidence of personal failure. Sometimes it isn't you, sometimes it's the conditions. And being able to tell the difference is in itself a kind of confidence.
Five Tools To Work With Nerves
SPEAKER_00Now with all that in mind, let me give you some practical tools. I'm not interested in giving you a pep talk. Pep talks wear off. By the time you reach the car park, I'd rather give you a handful of things you can actually use that work with the biology rather than against it. There are five. Learn them and you've got a kit you can carry into any situation that makes you feel nervous. First one's the simplest that sounds too simple to work. Name it. When the nerve arrives, say to yourself quietly, I'm feeling nervous. Or that's anxiety. Just name the thing. There's a lovely piece of research in this. When people put a feeling into words, brain scans show the threat centre, the Magdala we talked about, actually settles down. Naming the emotion takes some of the heat out of it. The researchers gave it a clever label. They call it affect labelling. But you can just call it naming it. Here's why it works in plain terms. When a feeling is vague and unnamed, it feels enormous and threatening, a sort of cloud of dread with no edges. The moment you name it, you put a frame around it. You turn something that's terribly wrong into ah, that's nerves. You've moved out of the alarm system and into the thinking part of your brain just by describing it. So name it out loud if you want. If you heard it, it makes you recognise it quicker. The second tool is the question. And I want to build a whole season around this. When you feel the nerves, don't ask what's wrong with me. The question only ever has bad answers and it matches you straight to the broken conclusion. Ask a better one. What is my nervous system responding to? So you've named it. Now you're asking, what is it my nervous system's responding to? Notice what it does. It assumes nothing is wrong. It treats the feeling as information rather than a verdict. And it nearly always gives you something useful back. The answer is usually something like this. This matters to me, or I might be judged, or there's uncertainty and I don't like uncertainty. Once you've got the answer, take it one step further and get specific. Name the actual threat. Is it that I'll look foolish, that'll be rejected, that I'll make a mistake in front of people whose opinion of value? Because a vague, nameless dread is almost impossible to handle, but specific fear you can look straight at. The moment you can say exactly what you're worried about, it shrinks to something you can actually deal with. Vague is frightening, specific is workable. The third tool is about your body because you can't always think your way calm, but you can very often breathe your way there. When the alarm fires your breathing goes high and shallow without you noticing. So we do it the reverse deliberately. Breathe in through the nose for a count of about four, then breathe out slowly for a count of about six or seven. The outbreath is the important part. Make it longer than the in breath. Here's why. The long, slow out breath is wired directly into the part of the nervous system that calms you down. It's one of the very few manual controls you have over a system that mostly runs itself. A handful of those breaths in the car or in the corridor or quietly under the table where nobody can see. And you've taken the edge off the physical wave. It's not gone, it's just become manageable, and manageable is all you need. The sales director sitting in the car, that's exactly what she was doing. She'd worked it out for herself, engine off slow breaths, then in she went. The fourth tool is the one that actually builds confidence over time, where the others mostly help you through the moment. It's this act before you feel ready. Because here's the truth nobody quite tells you. The confidence doesn't come first. Most people are waiting to feel confident before they act. That's exactly backwards. You'll be waiting forever. The feeling of confidence is the reward you get afterwards. It's not the ticket you need to get in. So you do it nervous. You make the call with a shaky hand. You say the thing in the meeting with a slight wobble in your voice. And something remarkable happens. You survive it. The room doesn't fall in, and your brain takes a different note. It writes down, We did that, and we were fine. That's the note that grows confidence, and you only earn it by acting before you feel ready. Every single time you do, you pay back a little of that avoidance loop. You teach the alarm a new lesson. And the fifth tool is how you make all of this stick. Because confidence built in a single brave moment tends to leak away by the next morning, unless you do something to capture it. Keep an evidence log. It can be a note in your phone, a line in your diary, the back of your hand, whatever you actually do. And at the end of each day, ask yourself one question. What did I do today despite feeling nervous? That's the whole thing. Not what did I do perfectly, not what did I do brilliantly, just what did I do despite feeling nervous? Maybe you made the call, maybe you spoke up in the meeting, maybe you simply sent an email you'd been sitting on for a week. Write it down. Because remember, confidence grows through evidence, and your brain is naturally a bit lopsided here. It remembers the things that went wrong far more readily than the things that went right. Left itself, it keeps a meticulous record of your stumbles and bins the proof of your courage. The evidence log is you putting your thumb on the scale, deliberately collecting the evidence your brain would otherwise throw away. Do it for a fortnight, and you'll be surprised at what you've already forgotten you were brave enough to do. There's five tools then. Name it. Ask what your nervous system's responding to. Get specific about the threat. Breathe out longer than you breathe in. Act before you feel ready, and keep an evidence log of every time you do. None of them are difficult, all of them work, and you can start using them today. It made me boil all the years of watch people down to a single sentence. It would be this confidence grows through evidence. Not positive think affirmations, motivational quotes to the wall. We'll do a whole episode on why those things mostly let you down, but for now just hold on to the word evidence. Evidence that you can cope, that you can recover, that you can get through something difficult and come out on the other side. That when the hard things happen, you handled it. The people who grow more confident aren't braver than anyone else. I've met enough of them now to tell you that with some certainty. There's not a different breed, they're simply collecting different evidence. As we just said, holding on to it instead of letting it slip away. They feel nervous, but they act anyway. Their brain takes the note, they feel nervous again, they act again. And the pile of evidence grows. The senior leader who felt sick after every presentation, he'd twenty five years of evidence that he could feel sick and deliver brilliantly anyway. The nerves never left him, but they stopped meaning what they used to mean. They became for him simply the feeling he got before he did something well. That's the shift. Not no nerves, a different relationship with them. The nerves stop being a stop sign and start being almost a sign that you're in the right place, doing something that matters to you.
A Simple Challenge For This Week
SPEAKER_00Here's something simple to take away and actually do this week. Two parts. First catch yourself one time when the nerves arrive, just once. And instead of the old question, what's wrong with me? Ask the new one. What's my nervous system responding to? Name the feeling and notice the answer without judging it. That's the whole first part. Second, and this is the part that does the real work. Find one small thing you've been avoiding, not the biggest thing in your life, a small one. The call you keep putting off, the email in your drafts, the point you've been meaning to raise, and do it while still nervous. Don't wait to feel ready. Then write it down in your evidence log because that notes in the small act of capturing it is your brain collecting the proof. That's the whole game in miniature. Do that one small thing, and you'll have proved more to yourself than a month of affirmations ever could. As we start this season, I want to leave you one thought. The goal is never to get rid of nervousness. I don't think you can, and honestly, I'm not sure you'd want to. It's the same system that gets you ready, sharpens you up, tells you that something matters. If you strip that out entirely, you'd lose something you actually need. The goal is to stop nervousness, reading it as a weakness, to stop treating it as proof you're not capable, to stop letting it be the thing that makes you stop. Because the people I've watched build real confidence aren't fearless. They're not free or self-doubt. They're a different species to the rest of us, they're not. They've simply learned one thing. Feeling nervous doesn't mean stop. We'll dig into all of this over the season, why affirmations let you down, what to do when you failed and lost your nerve, how to hold your nerve when everyone's watching, and how to find it again when it goes wrong. But it all comes back to the thing I'd most like you to take from today. You're probably not broken, you're probably just nervous. And there's a world of difference between the two.
Season Three Outlook And Goodbye
SPEAKER_00Thanks for joining me for the first episode of season three. I'm John M. Walsh, and I'll see you next week.